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Ciao's Favourite Member
Number of posts: 1075 Registration date: 2006-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 17 Jul 2007, 10:23 | |
| His Dark Materials > Harry Potter |
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mattygroves

Number of posts: 397 Location: I like it here, but I have a summer home in reality Registration date: 2006-03-01
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 17 Jul 2007, 11:28 | |
| His Dark Materials is fabulous. Quite possibly the best series of its type I have ever read. Complex, intellegent, and seriously questioning about organised religion. Who could ask for more? _________________ I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. |
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duskmaiden

Number of posts: 93 Age: 32 Location: near enough GMT Registration date: 2006-10-27
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 17 Dec 2007, 20:31 | |
| It's Lebkuchen this week. i can't wit for a full explanation of Christmas traditions in Germany!Extra marks for all the ingredients list translated into German! |
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jesi

Number of posts: 127 Age: 102 Registration date: 2006-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 07 Jan 2008, 02:02 | |
| After being accused of deliberately downrating a PoW review to make sure the Author didn't win, l have been avoiding rating PoW reviews before the rating deadline ~ . . . unless the member is on my alerts and l don't realise it is PoW . . . l've only ever reviewed one PoW . . . and regret that  |
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CareBear

Number of posts: 135 Registration date: 2006-03-01
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Thu 06 Mar 2008, 13:58 | |
| I wrote one of these today as this week's category was one I could write about not realising it was judged on member votes... I wish I hadn't bothered cos not being in with the in crowd (and never having been) I get the impression that, no matter how good the review, I won't stand a chance! |
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duskmaiden

Number of posts: 93 Age: 32 Location: near enough GMT Registration date: 2006-10-27
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 10 Mar 2008, 14:36 | |
| saw an about me that basically said don't read myrate my review if you are entering same competition. That's a sad state of affairs |
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nathaninnit
Number of posts: 16 Registration date: 2007-05-19
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 10 Mar 2008, 16:13 | |
| PoW is chosen by the members? I always thought it was Ciao and they just used the ratings as some sort of guide. Nevertheless I have already had someone approach me today saying I downgraded them on the new PoW for my own benefit, even though I have only entered two PoW's ever and have no experience with the new product this week. Is my reputation on Ciao really that glorious? |
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CareBear

Number of posts: 135 Registration date: 2006-03-01
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:33 | |
| I saw the same "about me" although it's now changed. In some respects I agree with the idea of not rating others in the comp if you've taken or are going to take part in the comp until after the comp is over to prevent accusations like nathan got. In part I need to eat my words from my previous post though because I won this week which really does surprise me, but, like Nathan, at the point I posted I didn't realise it was a member pick rather than a Ciao pick. Not sure I like the whole thing though...
Last edited by CareBear on Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:34; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Edited to make it make sense!) |
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koshkha

Number of posts: 1091 Age: 44 Location: Northants & S. Cheshire - depends on the day of the week Registration date: 2006-08-17
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Mon 10 Mar 2008, 22:42 | |
| It's a particularly nasty thing the POW and I hope they get shot of it sooner rather than later. It seems to encourage stupid behaviour and I really can't see what possible value it adds to the site. |
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jesi

Number of posts: 127 Age: 102 Registration date: 2006-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 11 Mar 2008, 01:08 | |
| well, l usually ignore POW for the reason of having been so accused until after the decision ~~ however, certain members' rates have always been given more weight in overall ratings by Ciao, so it's not a pure 'beauty contest' ~~~~ l feel most sorry for people who post their review just BEFORE it is POW. . . |
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Ciao's Favourite Member
Number of posts: 1075 Registration date: 2006-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 11 Mar 2008, 01:54 | |
| | jesi wrote: | | however, certain members' rates have always been given more weight in overall ratings by Ciao, so it's not a pure 'beauty contest' |
Is this true? Is there any proof of this? If so, I think this is shocking.
Either way, I wouldn't let the PoW competition stop me from rating. If people are going to be that petty, you'll get accused of something no matter what, especially on Ciao where Chinese Whispers abound in the PGBs. You shouldn't let yourself get bullied into not rating just because some fucktard throws groundless accusations around.
has anyone emailed Ciao voicing their concerned about the PoW compo and what it's producing on site? |
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jesi

Number of posts: 127 Age: 102 Registration date: 2006-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 11 Mar 2008, 09:46 | |
| | Ciao's Favourite Member wrote: | Is this true? Is there any proof of this? If so, I think this is shocking.
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Well, if you click on the ratings link beside your review it tells you so. lt has always said that the overall rating is not just a straightforward average of ratings received.
lt doesn't explain how weightings are decided to allow one member's vote to carry more weight than another, although l have, in the past, anyway, believed that respect and consistency might play a part in the computerised formula used, just like a new member must gain their first 1001 cps before being allowed to upload photos (501 at www.ciao.de), and a member must now have at least one 'helpful' review before they can rate or comment on other reviews. |
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jesi

Number of posts: 127 Age: 102 Registration date: 2006-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Tue 11 Mar 2008, 10:11 | |
| | koshkha wrote: | | . . . I really can't see what possible value it adds to the site. |
The possible value is a few extra reviews for NON-MEMBERS to use to make their decisions ~ and more reviews to encourage advertisers to invest in THIS site.
ln the database view, it is good to have a choice to pick and choose.
To improve excellence, more photos are also uploaded on PoW, to try to give the review an 'edge' ~~ this, too, is good.
An advantage of the photos is that, even when a review is not as straightfoward as the reader might want, floating the mouse over small photos or opening the 'multiple author' photo images on top to read captions can explain details difficult to express.
lt is better monitored than initially, and was the cause of the new no rating/commenting without a 'helpful' rating rule which has stopped some revenge rating, without the need for removal of rates and comments by members whose accounts may have been opened for the purpose of rating/commenting only.
l do dislike the bickering it can induce; l can just see benefits from a different point of view. |
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Ciao's Favourite Member
Number of posts: 1075 Registration date: 2006-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Wed 12 Mar 2008, 11:53 | |
| | jesi wrote: | | Ciao's Favourite Member wrote: | Is this true? Is there any proof of this? If so, I think this is shocking. |
Well, if you click on the ratings link beside your review it tells you so. lt has always said that the overall rating is not just a straightforward average of ratings received.
lt doesn't explain how weightings are decided to allow one member's vote to carry more weight than another, although l have, in the past, anyway, believed that respect and consistency might play a part in the computerised formula used, just like a new member must gain their first 1001 cps before being allowed to upload photos (501 at www.ciao.de), and a member must now have at least one 'helpful' review before they can rate or comment on other reviews. |
But Ciao have never behaved in a way to suggest that this is the case. Those around the site over the years that I believed were good raters were often hounded and abused for leaving the very ratings that marked them as good raters and Ciao quite often simply removed rates when reported to stop upset around the site and stopped members rating each other. That doesn't work in a system where respect and consistency are important as you suggest. You leave blanket VUs on all reviews on Ciao and you will gain chums and CPs with abandon, but all that does is get you a nicely coloured dot. The people who should be treated with respect are those that end up hounded off the site by the combination of the community and inept Ciao policing of the site. So in the end, any weighting of rates is ultimately flawed because otherwise Ciao would attempt to get people to rate properly and we all know that over-rating is rife on the Orange site. |
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jesi

Number of posts: 127 Age: 102 Registration date: 2006-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Product of the week competition Wed 12 Mar 2008, 17:56 | |
| l'm not silver yet, but then, l've only written 88 reviews and 2 QR; l don't leave sheep ratings, and few 'E's. l also leave few negative ratings, preferring to make suggestions first, and rate when the review has been revised. l also try to avoid controversy and confrontation wherever l can. l don't think being a good rater is consistent with trying to bully others to accept your point of view; however, l also think people need to understand differing needs of different websites when they are writing reviews for those websites. l think, on the whole, Product of the Week has been counter-productive, as far as encouraging and rewarding excellence is concerned. But it HAS encouraged some writers to improve their research and writing skills, and, where people are not afraid to explain ratings and accept other opinions, it can build community. lncidentally, l wouldn't call Ciao! "the Orange site" as it has not been predominatingly orange for over 4 years . . . . . . . ~ ! ♥♥ ! ~ ........................................................... ~ jes ~ ! ♥♥ ! |
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