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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Tue 20 May 2008, 00:33

Hmm

definitely a London problem then, 1/5th (?) of population but 1/3rd of all the measle cases last year.

what the report does not appear to say though is much about the implications if people get measles. Ok so 1000 kids get it.....and have ear infections etc.....most will come through, one assumes.....(as they dont point out the problems with measles and the death rate etc..) And I would love to know what records were like for measles in 1972 - which is probably the year my family had them - but the Govt didnt think to save this information until 1995...bizarre!!!

It's difficult, as usual the media have swayed our opinions on this MMR. If i was a parent I would have opted for three separate jabs, although I must admit I did not realise the cost was so great. That thought is based on what I have read, which is probably flawed. I have just tried to google for UK cases, and all reports talk about "when records began", which is ridiculous if it is claimed it is 1995. I just don't believe that. Then, the secrecy around Leo Blair was ridiculous, and confirms that in fact he must have had separate jabs, which naturally feeds every parent's fear

I did find a report that shows a much declining death rate to 1972, even before the jab for measles was introduced...I think it is poor information and poor media, and dare I say it, perhaps a storm in a teacup, if there are only 1000 cases a year, as while it may seem harsh, the death rate is so low, that it is not going to have any impact (unless you are the 1 in 1000), but it will put a strain on the rest of the population of course.

Blair should not have been so secretive, and perhaps if the autism cases which are now claimed to be "insignificant" had not been blown out of the water, parents would not have the fears they now justifiably have - regardless of the scientific accuracy or whether something else , such as diet causes that autism)

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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Tue 20 May 2008, 09:44

I think what is important is the relative risks. No immunity, chance that you might be one of the 1000 kids in the country to get measles and, possibly, die. Have the jab, chances of dying from that - much smaller. It's not that clear cut in all cases but when you look at the published mortality figures the choice becomes clear. Of course, there's always spin and we will never know how much is placed on this but we can only hope that medical professionals would insist on as clear reporting as possible.

Not particularly relevant, but my brother-in-law is a surgeon. His little one had MMR (albeit late because she had immune function issues) and all the paeds at his hospital had given it to their little ones.
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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Sun 01 Jun 2008, 08:22

spoilt_little_brat wrote:
take away the parents choice



dididave wrote:
force parents






When did we start living in a dictatorship?

I have my own brain, my own mind, my own thoughts, and my own free will. I'll smoke, i'll eat junk food, i'll do no exercise, i'll take my son on holiday in term time, i'll let him eat chocolate til his teeth rot, i'll get drunk, and it will be me who chooses how to bring up and look after my Son.

To take away a parents right to choose the best medical care for their child is outrageous. It's one thing to take away a persons choice to smoke in a pub but it's another to take away the choice of parent caring for child.
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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Sun 01 Jun 2008, 18:45

Choice is important - my concern is that choice should be informed accurately and not just with whatever spin the political party choses.

PS: good to hear from you Erica! How's things?
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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Mon 02 Jun 2008, 14:02

spoilt_little_brat wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7392510.stm

Your thoughts on the opinions of Mary Creagh, Labour MP?

The MMR jab rates are at 85% (with an all time low in London) and the target lavel is 95%, so in order to get the rates up, should we take away the parents choice to give the MMR jab?
What more would you do to get parents to let their children have the MMR jab?

At the moment the child has the MMR jab at 13 months old. If you want to have the single jabs they can cost up to £300 each, and is not recomended by WHO.

Thoughts please Smile


If you are going to quote me then don't delete the rest of my post and take it out of context.

I am simply asking if we should take away the choice or not, not that I want the choice taken away from parents.

I might tut at other parents for doing things that I don't agree with, and I am sure many other mothers do the same to me, but if you don't let your child have the MMR that thats for you to deal with, I might think it a stupid choice, but as long as it doesn't effect my child then I really don't care less.
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PostSubject: Re: No MMR, No School?   Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:13

the same is true for dave's post, he never said "force parents" (i.e. to have the jab) either.

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