Guide Vacancies

koshkha · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Fri 08 Feb 2008, 10:04

Sounds to me like dooyoo need to find some appropriate way to reward their guides. At trivago - the site where I spend most of my time - approving other people's work carries more payment than actually doing the work!

atticusuk · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Fri 08 Feb 2008, 13:03

plipplop wrote:

kenjohn wrote:

Now the 7th February, and STILL no signs of any new Guides being appointed for currently vacant categories, or any sign of the posts being advertised by dooyoo on the site.

Can any current Guides throw any further light on any developments? (If any!)

I've spoken to a number of members who've been approached, all of whom have said they won't do it. They've cited it as a thankless task, and can't be doing with the grief that goes with the territory these days.

I quote:

"I don't want to be regularly accused of being a liar / self-interested / corrupt. (delete as applicable)"

Says it all really, still lack of guides has an impact on all members not just those who sling the mud but then you only have to read any comment or review on the site or on message boards having a pop at the guide members or system to see lots of members agreeing with the comments.

Little surprise that many do not want the hassle.

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Ciao's Favourite Member · Number of posts: 1075 Registration date: 2006-12-20

In most cases, it's almost as if the stuff about guides has become an accepted truth and having Evil Phil run around spouting the usual (and mostly incorrect) bollocks on the site over the years without intervention from the powers that be isn't helping matters either.

Maybe that's also why the number of members asking guides for help is dropping/near zero?

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plipplop · Number of posts: 210 Registration date: 2006-04-25

Ciao's Favourite Member wrote:

In most cases, it's almost as if the stuff about guides has become an accepted truth and having Evil Phil run around spouting the usual (and mostly incorrect) bollocks on the site over the years without intervention from the powers that be isn't helping matters either.

Maybe that's also why the number of members asking guides for help is dropping/near zero?

The reality is that it isn't really just one member who could do the damage. Collectively, questions around objectivity, bias etc etc are prevalent on both these message boards and Dooyoo, with an overall expectation (and it's probably accurate) that as a guide, you will get a lot of grief. I don't imagine that this could be addressed, to be honest, but the naysayers are ultimately the ones undoing the site.

That being said, I do still get asked for help and generally, I manage to get things sorted out for people.

kenjohn · Number of posts: 175 Registration date: 2008-01-05

I can't totally agree. Personally I feel there are plenty of members who'd still be prepared to take on a Guiding role, only they don't realise there are current vacancies as they're not advertised.

As for folks moaning about Guides. Ah, you poor wee souls...Everybody picking on you. It's always been that way ever since the Guide roles were instigated...nothing different. Folks just like having a pop at "authority" figures, that's all. If you can't stand the heat, etc, etc. Razz

plipplop · Number of posts: 210 Registration date: 2006-04-25

kenjohn wrote:

I can't totally agree. Personally I feel there are plenty of members who'd still be prepared to take on a Guiding role, only they don't realise there are current vacancies as they're not advertised.

As for folks moaning about Guides. Ah, you poor wee souls...Everybody picking on you. It's always been that way ever since the Guide roles were instigated...nothing different. Folks just like having a pop at "authority" figures, that's all. If you can't stand the heat, etc, etc. Razz

OK, maybe need to re-position what I said in fear of misinterpretation.

You asked what was happening on the guide front. General answer was nothing. I added that I know Dooyoo are having real trouble getting people to sign up and explained why. This was really only intended to offer some constructive thinking around the situation. I certainly wasn't complaining. Personally, I'm really quite happy as a guide and any such allegations fall on deaf / disinterested ears. I think that such accusations say 100 times more about the people making them, than they do the people being accused. Fortunately, the powers that be at Dooyoo seem to agree.

You're right - guides always have been the subject of criticism, and almost certainly always will be. I suspect the silence from Dooyoo is from them reconsidering the whole role / process, as they are aware that nobody wants to do it and they also realise that no guides = no crowns for anyone = no happy campers (more or less).

It would be really good if all these people who are willing to be a guide would step forward. Although the roles aren't advertised specifically by Dooyoo, there is plenty of publicity here and on the site, with lots of discussion around the current vacancies. I'm sure that if there are lots of willing volunteers, then the roles will be filled very soon, bringing smiles and satisfaction all round. You'll forgive me for being dubious in the meantime, however, as I continue to cover three categories (considering a temporary fourth to try and plug another gap) in the face of no interest from anyone wanting to take on the role.

kenjohn · Number of posts: 175 Registration date: 2008-01-05

plipplop wrote:

You're right - guides always have been the subject of criticism, and almost certainly always will be. I suspect the silence from Dooyoo is from them reconsidering the whole role / process, as they are aware that nobody wants to do it and they also realise that no guides = no crowns for anyone = no happy campers (more or less).

Personally I think it's past time the role of a Guide was overhauled somewhat, or dropped altogether. I'd be happy enough seeing the end of Category Guides, but only if some other method can be found to ensure some sort of continuity at the site in regard to abuse, Crowns, etc.
Maybe, as koshka suggested, it may be time to reward Guides in some fashion in order to make the role more attractive to more members. (Just a thought)

atticusuk · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Sat 09 Feb 2008, 13:55

kenjohn wrote:

plipplop wrote:

You're right - guides always have been the subject of criticism, and almost certainly always will be. I suspect the silence from Dooyoo is from them reconsidering the whole role / process, as they are aware that nobody wants to do it and they also realise that no guides = no crowns for anyone = no happy campers (more or less).

Personally I think it's past time the role of a Guide was overhauled somewhat, or dropped altogether. I'd be happy enough seeing the end of Category Guides, but only if some other method can be found to ensure some sort of continuity at the site in regard to abuse, Crowns, etc.
Maybe, as koshka suggested, it may be time to reward Guides in some fashion in order to make the role more attractive to more members. (Just a thought)

But the reward comes in carving up the crowns, does no one listen to Phil surely that should result in a stampede to be guides the lure of an extra £1.50 each week.

Personally all the flack is part of the fun as it is usually given by people whose opinions I rate just below my view of estate agents and dog *Bad Word*.

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Ciao's Favourite Member · Number of posts: 1075 Registration date: 2006-12-20

plipplop wrote:

The reality is that it isn't really just one member who could do the damage. Collectively, questions around objectivity, bias etc etc are prevalent on both these message boards and Dooyoo, with an overall expectation (and it's probably accurate) that as a guide, you will get a lot of grief. I don't imagine that this could be addressed, to be honest, but the naysayers are ultimately the ones undoing the site.

That being said, I do still get asked for help and generally, I manage to get things sorted out for people.

No, I agree with you completely. I used Phil merely as an example, and yes, he's not the only one, just the most prominent on Dooyoo. I don't mind the questions about objectivity or bias and will gladly answer any reasonable questions that are posed to me, but by the same token the absolute *Bad word* spouted by Phil and some others is giving off a false impression of the guides, IMO. Additionally, people on the site are just taking what's said about guides at face value, so anything that's mentioned about the guides (no matter how major or positive/negative the incident is) gets ingrained in the community, even if they don't actually take it seriously. That it's been happening on the site over the years just means that it's impossible to get back to anything realistic and when guides are looked for, no-one wants take it up because *Bad word* are spouting tosh about them simply for taking a role on the website.

Still, if Dooyoo ever gets around to advertising for more guides, perhaps we'll see some newer members step up.

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atticusuk · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Tue 12 Feb 2008, 11:15

Raised this again on the guide forum to ask about progress in filling vacancies.

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clownfoot · Number of posts: 5 Registration date: 2007-06-22

I thought it was common knowledge that if you partake in a moderating role of some sort on any Forum or Community site, then abuse from a group of numpties is part and parcel of undertaking the role. But you accept it on being appointed and grow a thick-skin and the ability to say "meh!" when wildly misplaced accusations are directed your way. It's possibly a reason that people are unwilling to take up the role because they're not thick skinned enough and take the comments from idiots a little too personally...

...as well as a lack of advertising!

WendyBull · Number of posts: 2028 Age: 37 Registration date: 2006-04-04

I never got any abuse when I was a guide - I know I only did it for a year and in relatively calm and serene categories but still - it's not that bad is it?

berlioz · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Wed 13 Feb 2008, 00:39

clownfoot wrote:

the ability to say "meh!"

Based on that, I'd make a great guide! Third thread ongoing!

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CareBear · Number of posts: 135 Registration date: 2006-03-01

I don't think it's that bad Wendy. Yes, you'll get some icky comments from time to time but otherwise it's not too bad at all. Sometimes reading the generic accusations in members' ops can feel a bit personal but then we all know that it's rubbish! Save for Phil, who is always right!

atticusuk · Subject: Re: Guide Vacancies Wed 13 Feb 2008, 13:35

WendyBull wrote:

I never got any abuse when I was a guide - I know I only did it for a year and in relatively calm and serene categories but still - it's not that bad is it?

Nope more the sweeping statements in reviews and comments are the ones that annoy some guides especially when they stumble across our plans to carve up the crowns amongst the chosen few, that is just annoying and means we have to throw a few token crowns to the pack.

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