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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:03

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It's MORE hypocritical to say that your family is your priority then feed it food pumped full of hormones, drugs and goodness knows what else. I tend to try and consider things on a common sense basis. If meat is full of things it shouldn't be full of, there's a high possibility it won't be good for me; I don't need specific evidence of that but if you do, perhaps you could consider Mad Cow's Disease as one example?

I saw the programme and Jamie's beef was aimed at chicken welfare wasnt it? Not the impact on our health. ?????

The way forward is surely to lower the cost of organic chickens so more people buy them
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:08

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The way forward is surely to lower the cost of organic chickens so more people buy them

There would need to be sufficient demand for farmers to ditch the non organic methods first though. That will only happen if more people buy them!

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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:11

Another thing on this issue is Jamie Oliver himself. I saw a programme a while back of him shooting pheasants and eating them exclaiming how great they tasted.

I like the guy, but doesnt that smack of hypocrisy and reduce his credibility ?

Pheasants and partridge in the UK are not wild, free range and natural but artificially fed and bred before a short release in similarly despicable battery-cage conditions. Shot out of the sky for fun - animal welfare ?
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:13

The problem is that the supermarkets have the farmers in such a tight corner the only way they can operate is to use inhumane methods.

I reckon that if the supermarkets took the crap chicken off the shelves and left the better stuff, most people would carry on buying the free range or organic anyway.

I don't know why people expect to get food so cheaply anyway. I know why they want cheap food that's different from expecting it.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:21

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But what sort of meals are these? When cooking fresh meat my children will only eat a "roast dinner" or a chicken breast with veg and pots etc.

I can't cook and freeze a whole roast dinner. Maybe it would be easier if my kids liked casserole and stuff like that but simple fact is they don't. I do cook them chicken breasts fresh in the evening though - though this is again cheap chicken.

I buy reduced stuff all the time and freeze it but very rarely does that apply to chicken - it is usually fish or beef.

I am thinking about growing my own veg and salad this year though - although there is no way I could grow enough to last the whole year!!!

Don't fancy chickens wandering my garden either! Razz

I try all sorts of cunning things with my nieces and nephews Wendy - I'm a master of disguise! One won't eat potatoes (until you mash 'em up with swede!) One won't eat fish (unless you smother it in tomato sauce and say it's had a road accident. That's funny, apparently!) One won't eat anything green, but will eat purple broccoli! And none of them get any of my lovely organic chocolates, cakes or biscuits until they eat a decent meal and some fruit first.

In fairness, perhaps it's because going to Uncle Phil's is an adventure (and I don't underestimate that) but it still really works!

Totally agree - my daughter hates mash but loves it when it is pink.

I have no worries about how much fruit and veg they eat, as they eat it well, but preparing a good hearty fresh meal the day before is harder for kids as they will not eat things that are easily frozen.

We do however eat a fair amount of pasta which is quick and easy.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:31

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I reckon that if the supermarkets took the crap chicken off the shelves and left the better stuff, most people would carry on buying the free range or organic anyway.


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You could have a point there. And surely if it was organic only supermarkets would fight for market share and the price would come down ??
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:34

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I reckon that if the supermarkets took the crap chicken off the shelves and left the better stuff, most people would carry on buying the free range or organic anyway.


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You could have a point there. And surely if it was organic only supermarkets would fight for market share and the price would come down ??

Then we'd be back to square one with the supermarkets forcing the famrers to supply at a price that cripples them and that means the quality is not so good.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 23:00

plipplop wrote:
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But what sort of meals are these? When cooking fresh meat my children will only eat a "roast dinner" or a chicken breast with veg and pots etc.

I can't cook and freeze a whole roast dinner. Maybe it would be easier if my kids liked casserole and stuff like that but simple fact is they don't. I do cook them chicken breasts fresh in the evening though - though this is again cheap chicken.

I buy reduced stuff all the time and freeze it but very rarely does that apply to chicken - it is usually fish or beef.

I am thinking about growing my own veg and salad this year though - although there is no way I could grow enough to last the whole year!!!

Don't fancy chickens wandering my garden either! Razz

I try all sorts of cunning things with my nieces and nephews Wendy - I'm a master of disguise! One won't eat potatoes (until you mash 'em up with swede!) One won't eat fish (unless you smother it in tomato sauce and say it's had a road accident. That's funny, apparently!) One won't eat anything green, but will eat purple broccoli! And none of them get any of my lovely organic chocolates, cakes or biscuits until they eat a decent meal and some fruit first.

In fairness, perhaps it's because going to Uncle Phil's is an adventure (and I don't underestimate that) but it still really works!

You have that spot on. When I was a nanny for one family I used to have to puree or mash any veg they didn't like and mix it in with potatoes Rolling Eyes

The road accident fish sounds interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Mon 18 Feb 2008, 23:11

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Do you have more time than me to prepare fresh food though Helen? In no way wanting to get into a you have more time on your hands than me thing because that would just be an excuse on my part. However, I have a maximum of half an hour some days to prepare a meal for the kids tea in-between their varying activities. I sometimes have to weigh up whether the physical activities my kids do outweigh the detrimental effects of a "Princess Dreams" shaped chicken. Of course, I try to make stuff the night before etc etc but it is not always so easy. I suppose these judgement calls are what makes us good or parents.

I would be interested to know how you shop ethically and more cheaply than I would in a Supermarket? If it can be done I will try to do it!

I doubt I have much more time than you to be honest. Right now my life consists of a 2 hour commute each way (long story), and a 9 hour day minimum, I have other non paid commitments which take up much of my weekend. In fact the one thing I do not have right now in my life is time!

I have always cooked from scratch and never really bought processed food, which is always going to be more expensive as that's the value chain in action. so there is a saving right there. I can always prepare a midweek meal in under 30 minutes. If I want a jacket potato, however, then that obviously takes longer, but then again, that is hardly cooking, bunging a spud in the oven.

I don't eat a lot of meat, although I am a meat eater, and I do agree with the comments made earlier about the fact that this is not necessarily hypocritical.

I grow my own fruit and veg, and have done for years, so that saves money. Otherwise I go (went) to my local farm shop at Gonalston http://www.gonalstonfarmshop.co.uk/ which is a great wee place, food sourced from within 50 miles so keeping my carbon footprint down in the bargain, but I can buy what I want to buy, as it is like a greengrocer and a butcher used to be, bought loose, so less waste.

Anyway, long story continuing, I now live in Lancashire, and I immediately found a great greengrocer, where once again I can buy loose and local, and often there are bargains to be had. I picked up loads of fresh fruit the other day, which I can freeze for smoothies for breakfast. I think supermarkets are the scourge of the food chain as it is today (as well as a thorn in the side of suppliers, and having a negative effect on local economy). There is a new Asda opened in Shaw, within the last 6 months or so, and already the butcher has closed down.

So on a direct comparison, no, these places cannot compete directly with the supermarket prices, but changes in shopping habits can make a huge difference, which is good for all kinds of reasons, not least health ones.

I try not to eat in these cheap chain restaurants either, (but then I know too much about food distribution to risk those too often!)
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 02:24

OK, I'll get shouted at for this one but here goes.......

I don't have kids but I used to be one............ I hated the food I was given due to my mum's poverty-inspired food choices that were heavily biased in the offal direction (any wonder I don't eat meat after being brought up on roast heart and the like). But I grew up to love veg and to eat just about everything.

If kids don't like stuff, don't worry. They'll grow up and hopefully grow out of it. Developing a taste for Brussel Sprouts passes a lot of people by but most adults will adapt to what's available once they are old enough to have to buy and cook it. It's not going to kill your kids to live off mash and ketchup for a while but if they pass 16 and are still being silly then you've got a proper problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 12:19

Well as a child I didnt like certain things and as an adult I also avoid certain foods. If adults pick and choose what they eat, why would they force their children to eat things they dont like ?

You can avoid the things that you dislike YET still have a balanced and nutritional diet.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 12:37

WormThatTurned wrote:
Well as a child I didnt like certain things and as an adult I also avoid certain foods. If adults pick and choose what they eat, why would they force their children to eat things they dont like ?

You can avoid the things that you dislike YET still have a balanced and nutritional diet.

This is only somewhat true. We should encourage our children to eat a varied diet not just because it is healthy but because it is a kind of socialisation. It sets us up for adulthood.

Children often say they don't like things they later eat as adults.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 12:55

Your second paragrath is true and it works in reverse - you can start to dislike things you liked as a child.

But that doesnt mean you should force feed your children things they hate. Like I said in an earlier post - its nothing less than abuse.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 13:07

I think its a case of at what point do you accept the child really doesn't like it.

Children often use food to exert power over adults. And in my experience, too many adults allow their children to dictate what is eaten. Children find out from an early age that they can get their own way through food. It's not cruel to insist your child eats certain foods. Children need to learn and adults should set an example.

I have seen children throwing absolute tantrums at the table but when an adult has ignored them the child has finally decided to eat the food.

Obviously if a kid is throwing up I wouldn't force them to eat something but I do think that SOME parents give up too soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 13:52

fizzywizzy wrote:
I think its a case of at what point do you accept the child really doesn't like it.


THATS TRUE

but I do think that SOME parents give up too soon.

AND SO IS THAT

I would add I wont be a parent in the latter group.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 14:03

WormThatTurned wrote:
fizzywizzy wrote:
I think its a case of at what point do you accept the child really doesn't like it.


THATS TRUE

but I do think that SOME parents give up too soon.

AND SO IS THAT

I would add I wont be a parent in the latter group.

I hope not - the sooner "Feeaky Eaters" is off our screens the better!
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 14:04

fizzywizzy wrote:
WormThatTurned wrote:
fizzywizzy wrote:
I think its a case of at what point do you accept the child really doesn't like it.


THATS TRUE

but I do think that SOME parents give up too soon.

AND SO IS THAT

I would add I wont be a parent in the latter group.

I hope not - the sooner "Feeaky Eaters" is off our screens the better!

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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 14:18

If a child wont eat something I wont make them eat it, that said I will not run around making something else if they don't eat what they are given.

mcDonalds, fruit shoots, bear shaped chicken etc is very much off the menu.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 14:51

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If a child wont eat something I wont make them eat it, that said I will not run around making something else if they don't eat what they are given.

mcDonalds, fruit shoots, bear shaped chicken etc is very much off the menu.

This is what i've been saying all along. If a child is hungry he or she will eat. Unless its my mother's weird cheese flan thing that she gives vegetarians. They will use that to seal a draught
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 16:05

Im convinced my mothers rock cakes really are rocks. You cant blame me for refusing to eat those :p
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 16:15

Just finished beans on toast for my dinner and it was one of those fifty per cent less sugar and salt ones and it tasted of s h i t. Probably my pre-conditioning to Heinz or whoever. Like when I had sugar in my tea (as everyone seemed to in the 80's before health scares become the norm), I suppose you would get used to it over time.
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 16:26

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Just finished beans on toast for my dinner and it was one of those fifty per cent less sugar and salt ones and it tasted of s h i t. Probably my pre-conditioning to Heinz or whoever. Like when I had sugar in my tea (as everyone seemed to in the 80's before health scares become the norm), I suppose you would get used to it over time.

Our local Co-op convenience store had a facelift recently and although there is now more space, they carry fewer lines. So no more low sugar low salt baked beans that I have been buying for years for only HEinz (which are extrotionately priced).

An recent bean emergency meant I had to buy these Heinz beans one hungover Sunday morning - it was like eating a pudding. Yeuch - far too sweet!
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PostSubject: Re: Jamie's Fowl Dinners   Tue 19 Feb 2008, 16:53

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dididave wrote:
Just finished beans on toast for my dinner and it was one of those fifty per cent less sugar and salt ones and it tasted of s h i t. Probably my pre-conditioning to Heinz or whoever. Like when I had sugar in my tea (as everyone seemed to in the 80's before health scares become the norm), I suppose you would get used to it over time.

Our local Co-op convenience store had a facelift recently and although there is now more space, they carry fewer lines. So no more low sugar low salt baked beans that I have been buying for years for only HEinz (which are extrotionately priced).

An recent bean emergency meant I had to buy these Heinz beans one hungover Sunday morning - it was like eating a pudding. Yeuch - far too sweet!

Mmmmm bean pudding
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