When is a Helpful rating NOT a helpful rating ??

Discuss the theory of Helpful ratings rather than the specifics. It's pretty easy.

But surely the whole first post was a personal issue......

Perhaps... but the first post also covers a lot of stuff that many people have been complaining about for ages: the ineptitude of the Ciao Abuse staffers, the thin-skinned Ciao members, the uselessness of the peer review system on Ciao, contact to/from Ciao staff members.

Ciao's Favourite Member wrote:

Perhaps... but the first post also covers a lot of stuff that many people have been complaining about for ages: the ineptitude of the Ciao Abuse staffers, the thin-skinned Ciao members, the uselessness of the peer review system on Ciao, contact to/from Ciao staff members.

But then so did my first post!

Mhm... but your post directly pointed out another member, which I believe is against the rules of the site.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that as you were addressing Av directly and I thought pretty much without malice, not "slagging her off behind her back" and she did have right of reply, but the rules are not mine and Drew has to uphold them!

If you feel changes can/could/should be made, go suggest it in the Site section.

The answer is to go and rate on Dooyoo where the majority do not care about rates as it is member reads on which payment is based.

Just seen a comment on Ciao....someone promising to dish out loads of Es as it is the season to be jolly !!!!!!

That about sums up the way this site is going.....just plain ridiculous !!!!

I can't seem to get on there half the time anyway, perhaps it's just as well. Lisa x

Averilla wrote:

Just seen a comment on Ciao....someone promising to dish out loads of Es as it is the season to be jolly !!!!!!

That about sums up the way this site is going.....just plain ridiculous !!!!

Report them.

Community scum!

Let's put it where it's at, peops: H is a *Bad Word* rating. There are two higher and two lower ratings, so, by giving a review an H, you're saying that it is mediocre at best. That said, I think Ciao members award far too few H's, since so much of the crap churned out at Ciao is sub-mediocre dross. If I award your op an H, it means I believe you meant well, and that there's probably some yutz out there who might find your info helpful, but I'm pretty certain you're not going to set the world on fire with your illuminating consumer product insights and revelations. VH means it was pretty helpful and a pleasure to read because your information was engaging, well-written and well-presented. If I give it an E, it means it's written as well as I write my reviews. I don't give Es out very frequently, perhaps 4 or 5 per year.

An H would be a much better rating if there weren't so many idiots awarding Es to SH-quality reviews, but even if this weren't so, an H would still suck. I find Hs useful because they tell me which "readers" have skimmed my reviews, or otherwise, lack the intellectual capacity to appreciate greatness when they read it.

In sum, H = your review is Ciao-bandwidth filler. (In other words, it's not good, but it's not bad.)

I disagree, Jimbo.

E is a false rating, invented by Ciao to appease those that thought H was a bad rating in the four tier system. If you could give out Es willy-nilly, then His the middle ground, but you can only give at most 5 per day.

In fact, I pretty much ignore the E rating, so to me, Ciao still has a four tier system and H is still a good rating.

So ner.

Ciao's Favourite Member wrote:

I disagree, Jimbo.

E is a false rating, invented by Ciao to appease those that thought H was a bad rating in the four tier system. If you could give out Es willy-nilly, then His the middle ground, but you can only give at most 5 per day.

In fact, I pretty much ignore the E rating, so to me, Ciao still has a four tier system and H is still a good rating.

So ner.

*snicker-chortle* You make a good point, Aaron, but I suspect there aren't many members (relatively speaking) who rate more than 5 or 10 reviews a day. When I was active on Ciao, I might have read through 8 or 9 on a "good" day. A rater rating 25 ops a day can use each of the 5 rates equally, and I'd consider that an abuse of the E rating. A person who rates 10 ops a day can rate half of them with Es. So I think your point, though valid, only stands up if the average Ciao member rates more than 25 ops a day. I think a "5 Es per week or month" restriction would substantiate your "there's really only 4 functional rates" argument.

Cheers, A,

well I think I am going to have to agree with Mr 29th on this one

mainly because I have just seen how he can formulate an argument and I have cat in hell's chance of beating him....not that I am a sheep or anything...baaaaaa

When I was actively reading and writing on Ciao I quite often read 30 reviews in a day or sometimes just 2.. I cant recall ever having run out of E's we have a drugs dealer just around the corner although I did come close to it when I went on holiday and had lots of alerts to read (which mostly I think to be of a high standard...or else I wouldnt have put them on alerts now would I....unlike other nameless members who put people on alerts purely so they can go and dole out H ratings and patronizing comments)

I also think H is a pretty crud rating especially when applied to my work which similar in standard to Mr 29th's and therefor only ratable as E...soooo how can the E be a false rating?

::giggle::

Wow. So that's what it feels like to have someone agree with something you've said.

Hmmmm, it's kind of an interesting feeling ...a not entirely unpleasant one, actually.

Can we do it again?

29th_Candidate wrote:

Let's put it where it's at, peops: H is a *Bad Word* rating. There are two higher and two lower ratings, so, by giving a review an H, you're saying that it is mediocre at best. That said, I think Ciao members award far too few H's, since so much of the crap churned out at Ciao is sub-mediocre dross. If I award your op an H, it means I believe you meant well, and that there's probably some yutz out there who might find your info helpful, but I'm pretty certain you're not going to set the world on fire with your illuminating consumer product insights and revelations. VH means it was pretty helpful and a pleasure to read because your information was engaging, well-written and well-presented. If I give it an E, it means it's written as well as I write my reviews. I don't give Es out very frequently, perhaps 4 or 5 per year.

An H would be a much better rating if there weren't so many idiots awarding Es to SH-quality reviews, but even if this weren't so, an H would still suck. I find Hs useful because they tell me which "readers" have skimmed my reviews, or otherwise, lack the intellectual capacity to appreciate greatness when they read it.

In sum, H = your review is Ciao-bandwidth filler. (In other words, it's not good, but it's not bad.)

Wrong, wrong, wrong

SH= your review was less than three hundred words, I did not read it but I am sure it stunk.

H= I have either:

a) read your review and it is okay but missing something.

or

b) not read it at all but it looks a bit short and other people have rated it H

VH= it is long enough to get a VH and I am not individual enough to rate any other way. On rare occasions I have read your review but the joy of a VH is that I do not have to justify it with a comment.

E= your review is incredibly long and tells me everything I need to know. At least it would if I had not only read paragraph one, seven and twenty-two.

That's so true!!!

dididave wrote:

29th_Candidate wrote:

Let's put it where it's at, peops: H is a *Bad Word* rating. There are two higher and two lower ratings, so, by giving a review an H, you're saying that it is mediocre at best. That said, I think Ciao members award far too few H's, since so much of the crap churned out at Ciao is sub-mediocre dross. If I award your op an H, it means I believe you meant well, and that there's probably some yutz out there who might find your info helpful, but I'm pretty certain you're not going to set the world on fire with your illuminating consumer product insights and revelations. VH means it was pretty helpful and a pleasure to read because your information was engaging, well-written and well-presented. If I give it an E, it means it's written as well as I write my reviews. I don't give Es out very frequently, perhaps 4 or 5 per year.

An H would be a much better rating if there weren't so many idiots awarding Es to SH-quality reviews, but even if this weren't so, an H would still suck. I find Hs useful because they tell me which "readers" have skimmed my reviews, or otherwise, lack the intellectual capacity to appreciate greatness when they read it.

In sum, H = your review is Ciao-bandwidth filler. (In other words, it's not good, but it's not bad.)

Wrong, wrong, wrong

SH= your review was less than three hundred words, I did not read it but I am sure it stunk.

H= I have either:

a) read your review and it is okay but missing something.

or

b) not read it at all but it looks a bit short and other people have rated it H

VH= it is long enough to get a VH and I am not individual enough to rate any other way. On rare occasions I have read your review but the joy of a VH is that I do not have to justify it with a comment.

E= your review is incredibly long and tells me everything I need to know. At least it would if I had not only read paragraph one, seven and twenty-two.

ROFL! I stand corrected, Dave.