MADONNA IN THE NEWS.

Religious leaders in Rome have united against the mock-crucifixion featured in US pop star Madonna's latest show.
In the sequence, Madonna appears on a giant cross wearing a crown of thorns.

Father Manfredo Leone of Rome's Santa Maria Liberatrice church told Reuters news agency it was "disrespectful, in bad taste and provocative".

What do you think ?

Thingywhatsit wrote:

Madonna appears on a giant cross wearing a crown of thorns.

Just goes to show that Madonna has really gone over the top in thinking she's some sort of god or saint or whatever lunacy she subscribes to. Not to mention her music by today mainly sucks in being neither original or very enjoyable (the best parts of her recent songs have been plagiarised from other people, leaving her with some intoleratable hip hop crap and banality galore). She's nothing but an egoistical marketing machine these days with little in the way of artistic values, so yes she is really the definition of bad taste and this crucifixion thing is a perfect example of her thinking she's the eqivalent of the second coming or something.

I hate Madonna!

I never was keen on the idea of her using the name Madonna, which to me has religious significance. Now with the crucifix thing, I think its really bad taste.

Thingywhatsit wrote:

I never was keen on the idea of her using the name Madonna, which to me has religious significance. Now with the crucifix thing, I think its really bad taste.

Madonna is her name.

If I remember rightly, her full name is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone...

Its no different to people being christened Jesus which is a not uncommon name in South America. If you can't rebel against the establishment in pop/rock music then theres no hope left......

It reminds me of the burning crosses she used in her video for 'Like a prayer'. The Pope condemned her for that as well - it's easy to see that she's got some sort of contraversial anti-christianity thing going on. Isn't she a member of the new celebrity religion Kabblah, as well?

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Madonna is her name.

If I remember rightly, her full name is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone...
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Just read that now. Shows how much I know.

steerpyke wrote:

Its no different to people being christened Jesus which is a not uncommon name in South America. If you can't rebel against the establishment in pop/rock music then theres no hope left......

i totally agree, and to be honest it doesn't offend me in the slightest.

It doesn't offend me either and I'm not religious but nevertheless - if christianity is something you believe in, something you've been brought up with, something that has a real basis in your life - then seeing a pop star emulating what is generally thought of as the ultimate sacrifice on a twenty-five foot glittering mirror crucifix could be though of as a little offensive. And completely unnecessary.
Why did she choose to do it? Contraversy. If she had stood on a twenty foot statue of Mohammed there would have been a massive outcry and a huge negative response. Because it is Christianity, it doesn't seem to matter.

Sam_Garland wrote:

It reminds me of the burning crosses she used in her video for 'Like a prayer'. The Pope condemned her for that as well - it's easy to see that she's got some sort of contraversial anti-christianity thing going on. Isn't she a member of the new celebrity religion Kabblah, as well?

It was more that she portrayed Christ as being black in that video that caused the outcry.

Yeah, that's true. Something the church has trouble believing, even though it corresponds to the area he was born in.

Sam_Garland wrote:

Yeah, that's true. Something the church has trouble believing, even though it corresponds to the area he was born in.

To be fair, he would have been more likely Arab looking than anything else.

If god exists, then he is all seeing, all knowing, all powerful, so he should be genderless and raceless too. I think she was right to perhaps bring to light that Jesus, who is essentially God (the trinity) could in fact have appeared to her as black. everyone will believe what they want to believe about whether or not he exists, andwhether they see him as a bearded white man sitting a cloud, or whether they see him as black, female, etc etc. british christians will see god as white, blacks will see him as black, muslims will see him as middleeastern/east european/african WHATEVER! There is no fact, only belief/faith

but yes, even as a non religious type, she has gone too far with this one. but can you blame an artist with the success that she's had to get just a little bit egotistical?!

How can you be gender and raceless? That is like saying it has no taste or no colour, just not really true.

jesus was a man, thats for sure. A great travelling showman if you ask me, I think the bible missed out his caravan with the drop down Elixer of Life advert for his potions and lotions.

Madonna knows it will court controversy and make people cry outrage, that is what she is all about, shock and marketing. The black madonna with the big boobies was a Allo Allo thing wasn't it? No one bothered much then.

Christianity is a hypocritical religion that hates being challenged, much like all religions except buddhism, which doesnt care.

Angus wrote:

Madonna knows it will court controversy and make people cry outrage, that is what she is all about, shock and marketing. The black madonna with the big boobies was a Allo Allo thing wasn't it? No one bothered much then.

Christianity is a hypocritical religion that hates being challenged, much like all religions except buddhism, which doesnt care.

I understand what you're saying Angus, but it's still wrong to mimic the death of christ for a few more bucks. Even if others don't care, it's offensive to some - she wouldn't dare to dress as Mohammed and prance around the stage, so why is it ok to wear a thorny crown and mimic what many people see as their saviour?
I'm not remotely religious, but I'd never mock a believers point of view. Standing on a fourty foot mirror cross for a publicity stunt does do that somewhat.
What I'm basically saying is this - ok, christianity is hypocritical. But why do people feel the need to insult those who follow it religiously?

And on the same level why do certain religions tend to insult gay people or people who do not follow the same beliefs they have?

neither are right Sam, only one does not hide behind a religious icon for justification.

Angus wrote:

Madonna knows it will court controversy and make people cry outrage, that is what she is all about, shock and marketing. The black madonna with the big boobies was a Allo Allo thing wasn't it? No one bothered much then.

Was it not the Fallen Madonna with the big boobies?

I thought it was the Mona Lisa with the big boobies in hello hello.

Angus wrote:

And on the same level why do certain religions tend to insult gay people or people who do not follow the same beliefs they have?

neither are right Sam, only one does not hide behind a religious icon for justification.

Slightly ot, but thats have the problem with religious peeps (massive generalisation, I am aware of it). They see being gay as a choice, and in some way a belief - which is isnt.

However, as a non christian (since Kabalah is a jewish spin off) Madge doesnt believe in the crucifiction, so why use it OTHER than to get attention? In that vein, I think she has gone a wee bit too far. Especially after the whole Mohammod thing last year.

Thingywhatsit wrote:

I thought it was the Mona Lisa with the big boobies in hello hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Allo_'Allo!

Gotta love wikipedia! they have everything!!!

Ha !

I agree with you whole-heartedly on that subject Angus, but it's not really what I'm arguing about. I'm just saying that Madonna acted in spectacularly poor taste over what is generally seen as one of the most significant Christian events of all time.
Really though - I do agree that Christanity is fundamentally contradictory, but not that its followers 'hide behind a religious icon for justification'. And, although the religion itself disapproves of it, I've yet to meet a Christian who is against homosexuality. That's just an out-dated stereotype.

Sam_Garland wrote:

And, although the religion itself disapproves of it, I've yet to meet a Christian who is against homosexuality. That's just an out-dated stereotype.

Well I most certainly have.

Well, I've certainly met non-Christians who have been homophobic - being bigoted has little to do with religion, and a lot do with an individual.

drewboy wrote:

Sam_Garland wrote:

And, although the religion itself disapproves of it, I've yet to meet a Christian who is against homosexuality. That's just an out-dated stereotype.

Well I most certainly have.

Yes, so have I. Quite a few, unfortunately.

OT I was looking for the War on Terror thread......I thought there would have been an active one by now..