Naming in general.

I am trying to get my head around this naming rule.

If we can not talk about past members and what they are doing now etc, it seems a bit of a hard rule to live up to. Suggesting good new writers is naming if we are to take the rule to the limits.

Surely the rule should be not to name in a negative way rather than not name at all?

Is it site rules or is there an even higher ruling somewhere to say we cannot name people.

Obviously negative naming is bad but positive naming could be good even if it does generate more reads for some people.

getting away from the rating thing and more to the subject side of things, a thread was locked this morning becuase someone wanted to know what some of the old names who are no longer on or active on Ciao, were doing.

I feel this was a bit harsh as it was not really a flaming thread but just a curiosity one, are we being too sensitive?

Perhaps we are sensitive Angus, but the forum rule was always a no naming one. The problem here is that if we allow members to discuss other members of sites, the threads tend to denegrate into banter and then someone who did not particularly like the person feels that they have been stifled if they are not allowed to say their bit. The reason we keep to this rule is to avoid this kind of thing really. I think you have to think to yourself would you like to be discussed on a forum that you are not a member of ? Would you like to be discussed during an absence ?

Thingywhatsit wrote:

Perhaps we are sensitive Angus, but the forum rule was always a no naming one. The problem here is that if we allow members to discuss other members of sites, the threads tend to denegrate into banter and then someone who did not particularly like the person feels that they have been stifled if they are not allowed to say their bit. The reason we keep to this rule is to avoid this kind of thing really. I think you have to think to yourself would you like to be discussed on a forum that you are not a member of ? Would you like to be discussed during an absence ?

Depends, if people were saying, "Wheres Angus?" I would not have a problem. If people were discussing my work on a site I may have reservations. If people were discussing me in an unfair manner I would certainly object to not being able to put my side forward, BUT what we are discussing here is someone requesting and info on old Ciao members who use to be on there but are no longer active.

Quoting someone can be defined as naming and you using my name in this quote can be deemed as naming. What I am getting at is that if the thread does go into a spiral of **** was a crap writer and **** eats babies, then I would expect you or a moderator to edit it, but to lock a thread just becuase it MAY go off topic at some stage is a bit excessive rachel.

I know it is hard for you to control everything but let things be until it poses a threat otherwise you will lose good members and stop others joining. Now, go and have some sun if there is any in France, there is only bloody rain in wiltshire.

I actually thought about it and edited Art's posting. I would not want to get in the way of him doing a darned good review and have suggested that if people want to help him in his endeavour that they message him. Replying to a post from another member and using their name is a little different Angus, but you know how these threads go and the dangers that they pose, which is why the rule was introduced in the first place. It's pretty good weather here, but I am teaching all afternoon so won't get to enjoy it as much as I would like to.

Nope, that is not the same nor is it anything but censorship really.

if naming starts in a way that breaks the rules then you can edit it or lock the thread but what you are doing is censoring someone from asking about something as it MIGHT break the rules eventually.

Think about it rachel.

You can of course leave your views on the other forum were censorship doesn't exist. They have let it remain because the moderator there realises there is NO harm in the topic !!!

I bet the above gets deleted........

You're pissed off aren't you?

I will discuss with the other admin and get back to you.

freindsreunited

Anyone know where john smith is?

I went to school with him back in 1984 and he moved to Dudley the year after.

if anyone knows can they let me know?



And they made a fortune by reuniting people and discussing people who were not there.

I think we need to get a grip otherwise we will lose any credibility and decent topic of conversation.

Sorry our no naming policy stands.

sirg0508 wrote:

But on that site both had to be registered.

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No they do not.

Anyone can ask where someone is/was and the same goes for servicepals etc.

If you want to be pedantic about naming people then we should not be talking about movie stars, footballers, big brother members and anyone who is not a member.

can get a bit tedious all this and i think that you have to look at things in a less serious manner.

Okay Angus, take a look at your wonderful thread on the other site. Read it and tell me what purpose it serves to talk about old members ?

Quote :

Obviously negative naming is bad but positive naming could be good even if it does generate more reads for some people

But is generating reads by naming not against all the review site rules ?

Thingywhatsit wrote:

Okay Angus, take a look at your wonderful thread on the other site. Read it and tell me what purpose it serves to talk about old members ?

My wonderful thread?

I do believe Art was writing about old members of Ciao and just wanted to have some names who he might have forgotten about.

Nothing sisnister rachel.

But nothing of any practical use either Angus. Okay got it wrong about being your thread but apart from naming your own old membership names what does a thread like this achieve ?

It jogs the memory of Art so he can write about the members of Ciao who have left but it also achieves a bit of the old "Down memory lane" discussions.

I don't get why you are so anti this?

Thingywhatsit wrote:

But nothing of any practical use either Angus. Okay got it wrong about being your thread but apart from naming your own old membership names what does a thread like this achieve ?

You are beginning to sound like that Shahbaz character after he pulled that silly hat on. You have totally turned a harmless topic and piece of fun into something sinister. As Angus says, what is your problem ????

Okay let's make it clear. My problem has always been that forums of this nature talk about people and forget that they may not wish to be talked about. I have seen threads of this nature go badly wrong, and yes you argue that we can moderate, but if we keep to the no naming policy that we have always had, then there should be no need. I have seen threads on forums about people that upset that member, and have even had a harmless comment on a thread moderated at the request of a ciao member that was mentioned and who is not a member here more than twice.

I am sorry if you disagree with this policy, but on ciao itself, you can freely discuss with other members via guestbook, or even with other members by private message. There are several members that have left ciao and are no longer active on the site through choice, and still others who did not leave by choice, and in both cases, I feel that these people have a right to their privacy.

I've read a few of the opinions regarding this subject, and can see both sides of this argument.
I was a different user ID once on Ciao, like Art and Sirg and probably tuns of others for what ever reason they decided to leave and come back (sometimes through, not their fault)

We are all allowed surly to make a mistake once in a while, especially joining Dooyoo, Pooyoo as an alternative to Ciao !
My old self still gets ratings and comments that I cannot answer (wish I could)... I don't see anything wrong with discussing old members of past incarnations of what ever they were.... but they need, & have a right to be involved in the discussion, if at all possible.
I think it would be a responsible thing for anyone that knows where the person is now to contact them and let them know what is being said / discussed about them in a 3rd party way, or if not, ignorance is bliss !!

I remember a time about a year ago some new forum site site started up...slagging off most of the members on here / old forum + Ciao (me included, as some sort of idiot ...fair play...like I give a shit, but we are all entitled to an opinion ! ) for our own opinions on things said in reviews?

My opinion on that time was....Sad F*cks, that couldn't write very well, and all found comfort in the fact that they were all lacking in some part of their lives and didn't like the fact they netted bad vibes from Ciao members themselves...so stuck together, happy in the knowledge that they were all crap, and not liked very much (I think the main reason for starting an opposing forum)....hurrah ...F*ck off then, I say ! ....

I've not looked since, but suspect that the alternative forum is still there but have no reason to go and look.... cos I have better things to do.
For gossip's sake I'd love to know what old member's are up to and what people think (gossip !) ....just give us a shout first ! ...but am sure if it's done in a respectful way...cant see a prob' .... Chill out people !

What site would that be?

Hi Angus, I remember the incident that Mr Blue Sky is talking about and it was a blog rather than a forum, where people were cutting and pasting things that members on this site were saying and mocking them. It was an unpleasant experience for all concerned, and really does back up the ideology of this site not to have names of people.

I vaguely remember the blog thing and thought it was a childish waste of internet space.

I think that the thread over at ops shows that all Art was doing was really reminiscing and that there is/was no ill intentiions but I think you need to clarify what you mean by naming as I feel it is a grey area as I took it you could not name someone in a negative way or a way that would direct someone to a review, not that you can't talk about people who you used to know.