London bomb averted ?

They fight for Muslims of the world guys. Thats the whole problem. This collective...

Usamas deputy only today is threatening retaliation for our foreign policy and Mr Rushdie.

In my paper it says The Somalis said the bombs were never meant to go off and it was a prank.

The fact they found recruitment videos says it all - brainwashed into thinking an afterlife with 22 virgins is awaiting them.

22 virgins? Goverment cuts for you..:>
They escaped from a wartown country to turn this one into one. Benefit Bombers!grrrrrrr!!!

Ziggy! wrote:

They fight for Muslims of the world guys. Thats the whole problem. This collective...

Usamas deputy only today is threatening retaliation for our foreign policy and Mr Rushdie.

They are not fighting for the muslims of the world! What utter bollox! The vast majority of muslims in the world would have nothing to do with the terrorists despite any legitimate grevience they have with the West, this is the propaganda that the terrorist like to put out to justify the murder of innocent people most of which are Muslim!

AND

"Al Qaeda's second-in-command has released a tape threatening Britain with retaliation for giving novelist Salman Rushdie a knighthood."

So the possibility exists that had we NOT taken action in Iraq we would still be a target simply for allowing free speech!?

I think this shows that the agenda behind the terrorist action is far more ideological than simple politcs, yes they use Iraq as a rallying call maybe even as justification for their actions but underneath it all there are other reasons.

In this case we are under attack because we have awarded an author for writing books, this is the reality. This is an attack on the strongest priciples of our society free speech and tolerance.

The Iraq war has created and empowered a mythical collective called Al-Quieda. They make statements about revenge for Iraq and our anti Islamic policy that has grown out of it. They dont talk about Sharia states in the UK.

When I say 'They' I mean the militant element that will take up the cause to defend Muslims opressed by the west and other goverments around the world. Its called Jihad and its being going on for years, 1980s Afghanistan a clear example. Now we are involved in Iraq and there for 15 more years minimim (presumably the reason Adam West made that 15 year War on Terror quote) we will be attacked for revenge because of Iraq and we have to take the licks until we leave. At no point was the invasion of Iraq about democracy or liberation.

Ziggy! wrote:

The Iraq war has created and empowered a mythical collective called Al-Quieda. They make statements about revenge for Iraq and our anti Islamic policy that has grown out of it. They dont talk about Sharia states in the UK.

Now you're totally losing the plot even if you lost sight of it a long time ago

Al-Quieda was around long before Iraq remember 9/11 'dude'!

Why can't you accept that it isn't all a big US lead conspiracy or that the elders of Zion don't exist and the Royal family are not reptilian aliens! There are far more reasonable and believable explanations out there...

The Iraq war was not initiated by the US as some altruistic gesture it was of course meant to further US interest in the region (I think we can agree on that ) BUT it so happens that in this instance the way to do that was to topple a brutal dictator Saddam and bring democracy and stability to a middle eastern state in order to create a western friendly haven in the region and put pressure on the area as a whole even triggering a push for democracy in Iran and Syria. Regardless of what your views on the US are (I think I can guess...) in this case the failure of the US to achieve its (selfish) goals so far is also a failure for Iraq AND a victory for terrorism! That is what we have to live with. The fact that the terrorist have been empowered by all this will mean that we will be under threat long after we pull out of Iraq...

"Saddam maybe a son-of-a-bitch but hes our son-of-a-bitch"

It was never really about democracy, it was about a workable solution-another dictator that would sell us cheap oil.

Ziggy! wrote:

"Saddam maybe a son-of-a-bitch but hes our son-of-a-bitch"

It was never really about democracy, it was about a workable solution-another dictator that would sell us cheap oil.

BUT the US didn't instal another dictator, there was an election and people voted for a democratic government. Sure the US want a friendly administration to sell them Oil, that's no big secret but it could have that with a democratic government and a stable country.

The Iraqis I know who supported the toppling of Saddam did not want another dictator to take his place they wanted a chance to shape their own future by the ballot box not the bomb. They were very happy with the elections.

The only people to want violence in this case are the terrorist and the other states in the region who don't want a democracy on their doorstep. These are the people planting bombs or at least finding the Iraqi groups that are planting bombs, THEY DO NOT represent some sort of 'freedom fighting' movement supported by the bulk of Iraqis, which is how you are trying to sell it so has to make the shafting of ordinary Iraqis justifiable...

We should all be supporting the democratic process in Iraq and condemming the violence rather than tacitly supporting it by saying 'It's the IRAQI's fighting to get the imperialist powers out'.

If you really believe that then you are very naive...

The US installed authority has no power though,hewnce the chaos. What will happen is that a suitable thug will arise from the anarchy and the US will back his malitia, just like they did Saddam in the late 70s. The power vacuum is a an unfortunte hitch for the US. If Iraq wanted a democracy they would have had one by now.They clealry dont, tribal law the way the deal works there.

You seem to be denying a Baathist/Shia uprising against America thats responsible for most attacks...